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A Fire Upon the Deep
Vernor Vinge
This book blends the best parts of The Dark Forest Forest and The Expanse. It's got the time dilation with ramifications of technological development, it's got evil goop, it's got multidimensional existential threats, and it's got solid characters.
In a description of the amalgamation of dog like creatures on XXX planet, Vinge describes one of the Cronenbergian bastards of creation (Woodcarver) as "something you might see in the last generation of incest," which is fire.
I liked the show-don't-tell anthropology qua alien races, and how proper it is that young Jefri is able to quickly adapt given his youth. Very early on getting stranded near the bottom of the Slowness, Jefri starts to refer to the doglike Tine hive-mind creatures via singular verbs instead of plural. The way the puppy Tines describe themselves as getting recycled and as a collective amalgamation that retains a singular sense of self is a great way to observe how the two species would interact.
There are a couple places throughout the book where I would hold Vinge responsible for being more accurate about the techno stuff he talks about, even with the book being written in the 90s. Moore's law existed in '92, and everyone has FTL travel, why are they still measuring data capacity in Kbps, even at the lower end of the Transcend strata. This becomes a plot point later on. There's no explanation for the technological degradation whereas a series like Dune supplies an answer, this book maintains that computers probably didn't get more advanced over the millennia – to the point that Pham Nuwen, a dude reconstituted by The Old One to commune with the Straumlians and defeat the Blight (all the characters we follow are but pawns of the higher dimensional feud: "The Beyond and below are like a deep of ocean, and we the creatures that swim in the abyss. We're so far down that the beings on the surface --superior though they are --can't effectively reach us. Oh, they fish, and they sometimes blight the upper levels with poisons we don't even understand. But the abyss remains a relatively safe place.") And he's all like "yeah I can figure out this ship in no time, computers can't have progressed that much," whilst continuing to measure data in terms of bits.
I appreciate the inclusion and legitimate use of a crypto OTP as a plot device surrounding in order to communicate between ships at the deep, however, again it kind of demonstrates a lack of intuition of the scale of the units of information. They use 1/3 of a one time pad, which admittedly is of unspecified length, but if they were previously quibbling about the transmission rate of individual bits. Why would you use a one time pad to encrypt a video message? It would make more sense to use text if you have a finite amount of it. The length of the one time pad is kind of incidental, but then why mention that you only have 1/3 of it remaining?
Maybe it's actually me who is out of whack, but then he mentions the specific number of 4000 bits per second while describing video relay. What kind of fuckin video is that? 1 frame of 720p is 9,216,000 bits or a little over a kilobyte. Mf communicating via slideshow – point being it irked me that he delved far enough into the specifics to be more or less wrong. Low FPS transmission for 360p black and white sure sure sure, but you're also transmitting across 70 light years or something insane like that.
Overall, I really enjoyed the story lol
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| 7/1/26 | Vernor Vinge | A Fire Upon the Deep | 626 | 1992 | Sci-Fi | 7.250 | 6.944 | ||
| 10/27/22 | Cixin Liu | Deaths End Three Body Problem (3) | 592 | 2008 | Sci-Fi | 8.500 | 8.333 | cosmic prisontime dilation | Alex W. |
| 10/29/25 | Greg Egan | Quarantine Subjective Cosmology Cycle (1) | 280 | 1992 | Sci-Fi | 7.750 | 7.500 | cosmic prison | |
| 11/16/24 | Dan Simmons | Hyperion Hyperion Cantos (1) | 482 | 1989 | Sci-Fi | 8.025 | 7.806 | time dilation | |
| 9/5/24 | Greg Egan | Planck Dive | 23 | 1998 | Sci-Fi | 9.250 | 9.167 | time dilation | |
| 9/4/24 | Paul Anderson | Tau Zero | 232 | 1970 | Sci-Fi | 7.250 | 6.944 | time dilation | roon |
| 7/10/24 | Ursula K. Le Guin | Rocannon's World Hainish Cycle (1) | 258 | 1966 | Sci-Fi | 6.500 | 6.111 | time dilation | |
| 5/12/24 | Italo Calvino | Cosmicomics | 179 | 1965 | Sci-Fi | 7.029 | 6.699 | time dilation | Will Liff. |
| 10/28/23 | James S.A. Corey | Leviathan Wakes The Expanse (1) | 577 | 2011 | Sci-Fi | 6.750 | 6.389 | Blight | Charlie J. |
| 1/8/23 | Joe Halderman | The Forever War | 236 | 1974 | Sci-Fi | 5.000 | 4.444 | time dilation | |
| 1/6/23 | Neal Stephenson | Anathem | 1013 | 2008 | Sci-Fantasy | 8.500 | 8.333 | time dilation | roon |
| 12/12/22 | Stephen King | Skeleton Crew | 512 | 1985 | Horror | 8.000 | 7.778 | time dilation | |
| 9/21/26 | Yoko Ogawa | The Memory Police | 288 | 1994 | Sci-Fi | 4.000 | 3.333 | ||
| 12/31/25 | Cixin Liu | To Hold Up the Sky | 336 | 2021 | Sci-Fi | 6.700 | 6.333 | ||
| 11/9/25 | Greg Egan | Distress Subjective Cosmology Cycle (3) | 342 | 1998 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | ||
| 10/15/25 | Robert A. Heinlein | Starship Troopers | 290 | 1987 | Sci-Fi | 8.000 | 7.778 | Charlie J. | |
| 9/14/25 | Kurt Vonnegut | Player Piano | 296 | 1952 | Sci-Fi | 6.650 | 6.278 | ||
| 9/10/25 | George Orwell | 1984 | 328 | 1949 | Sci-Fi | 7.750 | 7.500 | ||
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| 9/6/25 | Aldous Huxley | Brave New World | 288 | 1932 | Sci-Fi | 7.250 | 6.944 | ||
| 8/11/25 | Greg Egan | Diaspora | 376 | 1997 | Sci-Fi | 8.000 | 7.778 | thesephist | |
| 8/11/25 | Olga Ravn | The Employees | 126 | 2020 | Sci-Fi | 5.500 | 5.000 | ||
| 6/8/25 | Helen Phillips | The Need | 272 | 2019 | Sci-Fi | 7.150 | 6.833 | ||
| 4/7/25 | Pierce Brown | Light Bringer Red Rising Saga (6) | 704 | 2023 | Sci-Fi | 7.750 | 7.500 | Thomas | |
| 3/27/25 | Pierce Brown | Dark Age Red Rising Saga (5) | 784 | 2019 | Sci-Fi | 7.500 | 7.222 | Thomas | |
| 3/18/25 | Pierce Brown | Iron Gold Red Rising Saga (4) | 596 | 2018 | Sci-Fi | 6.000 | 5.556 | Thomas | |
| 3/18/25 | qntm | Fine Structure | 386 | 2021 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | ||
| 3/13/25 | Pierce Brown | Morning Star Red Rising Saga (3) | 518 | 2016 | Sci-Fi | 5.125 | 4.583 | Thomas | |
| 3/5/25 | Pierce Brown | Golden Son Red Rising Saga (2) | 464 | 2015 | Sci-Fi | 5.875 | 5.417 | Thomas | |
| 2/28/25 | Pierce Brown | Red Rising Red Rising Saga (1) | 382 | 2014 | Sci-Fi | 5.500 | 5.000 | Thomas | |
| 2/18/25 | Hugh Howie | Dust Silo (3) | 480 | 2013 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | Jack M. | |
| 2/14/25 | Hugh Howie | Shift Silo (2) | 576 | 2013 | Sci-Fi | 7.250 | 6.944 | Jack M. | |
| 2/9/25 | Hugh Howie | Wool Silo (1) | 592 | 2011 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | Jack M. | |
| 2/1/25 | Matt Dinniman | Dungeon Crawler Carl Dungeon Crawler Carl (1) | 464 | 2020 | Sci-Fi | 6.000 | 5.556 | Noah | |
| 1/15/25 | qntm | Ed | 144 | 2021 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | ||
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| 1/3/25 | Isaac Asimov | Nightfall and Other Stories | 352 | 1969 | Sci-Fi | 6.737 | 6.374 | ||
| 12/7/24 | Dan Simmons | The Rise of Endymion Hyperion Cantos (4) | 579 | 1997 | Sci-Fi | 6.000 | 5.556 | ||
| 11/30/24 | Dan Simmons | Endymion Hyperion Cantos (3) | 441 | 1996 | Sci-Fi | 6.250 | 5.833 | ||
| 11/30/24 | George R.R. Martin | Dreamsongs: The Second Kind of Loneliness | 670 | 1972 | Sci-Fi | 7.250 | 6.944 | ||
| 11/24/24 | Dan Simmons | The Fall of Hyperion Hyperion Cantos (2) | 517 | 1990 | Sci-Fi | 8.250 | 8.056 | ||
| 9/6/24 | Alastair Reynolds | Eversion | 352 | 2022 | Sci-Fi | 7.083 | 6.759 | Nick W. | |
| 9/6/24 | Greg Egan | You and Whose Army? | 34 | 1998 | Sci-Fi | 6.750 | 6.389 | ||
| 8/29/24 | José Saramago | Blindness | 352 | 1995 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | ||
| 8/28/24 | Margaret Atwood | Oryx and Crake MaddAddam (1) | 400 | 2003 | Sci-Fi | 6.000 | 5.556 | Steg | |
| 8/1/24 | Ursula K. Le Guin | The Telling Hainish Cycle (8) | 416 | 2000 | Sci-Fi | 6.500 | 6.111 | ||
| 7/28/24 | Ursula K. Le Guin | Four Ways to Forgiveness Hainish Cycle (7) | 320 | 1995 | Sci-Fi | 5.500 | 5.000 | ||
| 7/26/24 | Ursula K. Le Guin | The Left Hand of Darkness Hainish Cycle (4) | 337 | 1969 | Sci-Fi | 7.500 | 7.222 | ||
| 7/26/24 | Ursula K. Le Guin | The Word for World is Forest Hainish Cycle (5) | 189 | 1972 | Sci-Fi | 7.750 | 7.500 | ||
| 7/16/24 | Ursula K. Le Guin | City of Illusions Hainish Cycle (3) | 199 | 1967 | Sci-Fi | 6.750 | 6.389 | ||
| 7/10/24 | Ursula K. Le Guin | Planet of Exile Hainish Cycle (2) | 135 | 1966 | Sci-Fi | 6.000 | 5.556 | ||
| 6/30/24 | Ursula K. Le Guin | The Dispossessed Hainish Cycle (6) | 284 | 1974 | Sci-Fi | 7.850 | 7.611 | ||
| 6/14/24 | Philip K. Dick | Ubik | 241 | 1969 | Sci-Fi | 6.500 | 6.111 | ||
| 6/14/24 | Philip K. Dick | The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch | 290 | 1964 | Sci-Fi | 7.500 | 7.222 | ||
| 6/13/24 | Neal Stephenson | Seveneves | 880 | 2015 | Sci-Fi | 8.750 | 8.611 | ||
| 6/2/24 | Philip K. Dick | Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said | 259 | 1974 | Sci-Fi | 7.063 | 6.736 | ||
| 5/27/24 | Philip K. Dick | A Scanner Darkly | 220 | 1977 | Sci-Fi | 6.750 | 6.389 | ||
| 5/22/24 | Philip K. Dick | Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? | 274 | 1968 | Sci-Fi | 8.000 | 7.778 | ||
| 1/13/24 | Iain Banks | Consider Phlebas Culture (1) | 471 | 1987 | Sci-Fi | 6.250 | 5.833 | roon | |
| 1/1/24 | Arthur C. Clarke | Fountains of Paradise | 263 | 1979 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | ||
| 12/17/23 | James S.A. Corey | Caliban's War The Expanse (2) | 605 | 2012 | Sci-Fi | 5.000 | 4.444 | Charlie J. | |
| 10/14/23 | Roger Zelazny | Lord of Light | 308 | 1967 | Sci-Fi | 6.750 | 6.389 | ||
| 8/23/23 | Adrian Tchaikovsky | Cage of Souls | 638 | 2019 | Sci-Fi | 8.000 | 7.778 | Alex W. | |
| 7/15/23 | Gene Wolfe | Fifth Head of Cerberus | 244 | 1972 | Sci-Fi | 9.083 | 8.981 | ||
| 6/18/23 | Various | Obsolescence | 360 | 2023 | Sci-Fi | 6.000 | 5.556 | ||
| 1/31/23 | Greg Egan | Permutation City Subjective Cosmology Cycle (2) | 275 | 1994 | Sci-Fi | 6.750 | 6.389 | ||
| 1/29/23 | George Saunders | Escape from Spiderhead | 10 | 2010 | Sci-Fi | 7.750 | 7.500 | ||
| 1/27/23 | Robert A. Heinlein | The Moon is a Harsh Mistress | 382 | 1966 | Sci-Fi | 8.250 | 8.056 | ||
| 1/18/23 | Adrian Tchaikovsky | Children of Ruin Children of Time (2) | 475 | 2019 | Sci-Fi | 6.750 | 6.389 | Alex W. | |
| 1/15/23 | Blake Crouch | Dark Matter | 368 | 2017 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | Nick W. | |
| 1/13/23 | Adrian Tchaikovsky | Children of Time Children of Time (1) | 513 | 2015 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | Alex W. | |
| 1/11/23 | Ted Chiang | Exhalation | 368 | 2019 | Sci-Fi | 7.500 | 7.222 | ||
| 10/17/22 | Cixin Liu | The Dark Forest Three Body Problem (2) | 400 | 2008 | Sci-Fi | 9.000 | 8.889 | Alex W. | |
| 10/10/22 | Isaac Asimov | Second Foundation Foundation (4) | 210 | 1953 | Sci-Fi | 6.500 | 6.111 | ||
| 10/1/22 | Cixin Liu | The Three Body Problem Three Body Problem (1) | 302 | 2008 | Sci-Fi | 8.000 | 7.778 | Alex W. | |
| 9/15/22 | Isaac Asimov | Foundation Foundation (3) | 255 | 1951 | Sci-Fi | 6.500 | 6.111 | ||
| 9/11/22 | Isaac Asimov | Forward the Foundation Foundation (2) | 417 | 1993 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | ||
| 9/5/22 | Frank Herbert | Dune Messiah Dune (2) | 256 | 1969 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 | ||
| 9/5/22 | Frank Herbert | Children of Dune Dune (3) | 444 | 1976 | Sci-Fi | 6.500 | 6.111 | ||
| 8/6/22 | Frank Herbert | Dune Dune (1) | 412 | 1965 | Sci-Fi | 7.500 | 7.222 | ||
| 7/13/22 | Isaac Asimov | Prelude to Foundation Foundation (1) | 448 | 1988 | Sci-Fi | 6.500 | 6.111 | ||
| 10/13/16 | Ernest Cline | Ready Player One | 384 | 2011 | Sci-Fi | 6.500 | 6.111 | ||
| 8/16/16 | Douglas Adams | The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy | 224 | 1979 | Sci-Fi | 6.500 | 6.111 | ||
| 4/20/16 | Orson Scott Card | Ender's Game Ender (1) | 324 | 1985 | Sci-Fi | 7.750 | 7.500 | ||
| 6/28/13 | Eoin Colfer | The Supernaturalist | 290 | 2004 | Sci-Fi | 7.000 | 6.667 |